[P-Train]

What product can I put on my fescue lawn to get rid of clover?

Zone 7b

I have about 2500 sq’ I would like to treat. My neighbor has a pretty nice lawn and I’d like to get mine looking like his and not infect his with my clover. This is primarily my backyard.

My front yard is fescue, clover, something unidentifiable and bermuda grass. What is the best method to get control?

[Nebraska]

We've been using Speedzone from Pbi Gordon in the fall with good results.

http://www.pbigordon.com/speedzone_l...zone_label.pdf

http://www.pbigordon.com/speedzone/index.htm

[Dale Wiley]

Clover is hard to kill because of the high amount of water contained in the plant, which tends to dilute the efficacy of the chemical.

Using a product like Speedzone or Hardball is going to work better than some of the more generic 2-4 D amine formulations.

You have to use the high rate on the label to get a good kill. It is not uncommon to have to treat twice during the season, which is also the label limitation on frequency of application.

We used Hardball on about 150 acres of school grounds this year, with heavy white clover stand and got an excellent kill. We only had to re apply to about 25 acres.

I don't know much about Speedzone, but Hardball is encapsulated so there is no odor as with the other amine products, and it also has the surfactant in it.

[Bill Schwab]

Millenium Ultra knocks out most broadleaf weeds and destroys clover. Another one the the lawn drugs that work well, we can't get in California. These tree hugging fruitcakes are ridiculous!

[Dale Wiley]

Another one the the lawn drugs that work well, we can't get in California. These tree hugging fruitcakes are ridiculous!

My father in law grows lily blubs in North CA, close to the Oregon border. I was down there doing some chemical applications in May, and the state line runs through on of the fields. I had to stop application in the CA portion of the field.

I could wave at the neighboring farmers in CA, that could not use the controls we were. He is moving almost all the blub produciton to the Oregon side.

Hmmm,.... lily blub production at $ 5,000 per acre or cattle and hay at about $ 200... no wonder the CA economy is so fed up.

[Bill Schwab]

Yeppers!

They never seem to amaze me with the idiocy.

[VoodooChile]

These tree hugging fruitcakes are ridiculous!

The problem Bill is the persistence of Clopyralid in compost. Millennium Ultra is one of the worst offenders.
http://ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0714.html
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/pressrls/mar27.htm

As for the majority of Americans who believe that the preservation of air, water and soil quality is more important than clover in some-resource intensive, usually useless lawn, you can call us names-- "tree-huggers", "environmental wackos", whatever-- but our importance to the financial success of the green industry grows more evident every year.

[P-Train]

Thanks peeps!

[Hamons]

"Those using compost can be assured that clopyralid does not affect human or animal health or grasses, corn, berries, tree fruit, or the vast majority of woody and perennial ornamental plants. In fact, products containing clopyralid residues could be applied safely to soils where some of these crops are grown. "

Quoted from Ohio State University link above.

[Bill Schwab]

Voodoo:

In order to fully appreciate the term "fruitcakes, and tree huggers", you got to get a shopt of what these moron legislators like Barbara Boxer propose with chemicals. And not only chemicals, dirt....If we spot a pile of dirt on a city street, it is a $10,000 fine. They claim now get this, the little microscopic crumbs that are left on the pavment after it is swept up go into the drains and kill fish in the ocean...LIKE THERE IS NO DIRT ON THE OCEAN FLOOR???????????????????????????????


They have lawn applicators wearing tyvel suites and full face masks with respirators on 90° days. They have bannned 3/4 of the chemicals that could be used to do a good job with little or no impact on the environment. And at the same time, they still allow chemicals that we as professionals cannot even get, for sale over the counter to any Tom Dick and Hairy who has no license and wants to apply them to thier lawn.

Look, I'm all for saving the environment IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS TRUELY AN IMPACT. I am not at all in favor of jumping through hoops when some liberal whacko legislator who cuddles up to his tree every night gets money from Green Peace to pass idiocy.

To this day, Chemlawn the largest lawn applications company in the world has not had a lost time incident as a result of chemicals and contact thier employees have had.

And as an asmatic, I have a vested interst in clean air. However, when we have whacked studies that are presented to the EPA to make false claims, I have a tad bit of an issue witht hat...Case in point, the small engines scare, specifically 2 stroke engines...

The EPA makes this claim that somehow gets into Readers Digest a few years back....It claimed that "small engines" created 1/10th of the worlds air pollution...There was this rush on buying push mowers. People were worried that by cutting thier lawn, they were destroying the ozone layer. Now think about this....The average family owns 2 cars. And, those cars run on average, an hour each per day. Thier engines are 10 times the size as a lawn mower or back pack blower....

Yet this claim of 1/10 the worlds air pollution comes into play.... Then one winter day I had nothing to do, so, I decided to research the criteria the morns at the EPA use to pass the scare tactic...It seems that they could not make thier case by using lawn and hand power equipment, so, they factored in all engines under 100 HP and this brought thier numbers up to the point they needed to make.

Now my Caterpillar D-3B dozer has a 93HP Engine...How many intelligent people would call this a SMALL engine?

And this list goes on and on and on.

I'm not trying to get into it with you or anyone over organic vs chemical or IPM's or full on chemical usage here. Just trying to shed light that the medias won't- don't seem to want to make people aware of. Of course if you injest lawn drugs, you best get yor tummy pumped. And if you ran your mower all day long with oil fouled exhaust, of course it might make an impact. But the cases the government makes are not accurate, basically left slanted lies that impact each and every one of us in a very adverse way.

The finacial success of the green industry would be far better served in making more sensible laws, more fair laws than this idiocy they feel is on our behalf.

[AZTLANLC]

and just go to any the EPA offices parking lot and tell me how many hybrid vehicles do you see?
Now tell me how many SUV's you see.

[Mark Oomkes]

If I recall correctly, the problem with the chlorpyralid in compost was because the composters were not following directions. Specifically that any compost that contains chlorpyralid must be composted for 1 full year and then it will be completely broken down and non-harmful to tomato plants, etc.

If this is incorrect, please correct me.

BTW, Speedzone or Confront work well for clover. Also, adequate nitrogen for the turfgrass will keep turf healthy enough to reduce clover. Clover is usually a sign of inadequate nitrogen.

[VoodooChile]

Hamons-- I never claimed Clopyralid is toxic to humans and animals, but many other lawn chemicals are, and they are often improperly used by homeowners and professionals alike.

Bill-- My sympathies, but government is imperfect; deal with it.

And isn't that a Republican governor in CA, strengthening your environmental regulations? Or has the conservative tough-guy Terminator turned into a liberal tree-hugging Regulator?

Republican environmental wacko, exhibit A

Mark O-- The OSU link rates Clopyralid's half life in compost at 1-2 years based on limited data.
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How we care for our clients' land has impact beyond the property's immediate boundaries.

No private individual has the right to imperil public resources like air, water and soil.

The green industry can either continue to weep and wail about excessive regulation, or it can live up to its name, and cater to a large and growing market-niche that desires earth-friendly property management (making a mint doing the right thing in the process).

[NC Lawnscapes]

It is too cool in your zone to effectively treat this problem, how ever when fall comes around next year if you can use any of the products above or another Product with 2,4d with Dicamba in it then that should help to control your problem.

If it is a total take over of Broadleaf weeds then you can simply kill off your entire lot with a good quality Roundup product and just re seed your whole lot.

[GLAN]

Speed Zone is formulated for cool weather results