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12-15-2003, 10:27 PM
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Tim, when you say Gortex type, are you talking about the woven yellow 2" kind that look like seat belt material? Seems that would be a good material to use for this application....
I plan on taking the 1-day course offered at our local tech called 'strapping and lifting'. I'm thinking they'll cover this topic in the class. Of course, I've tried to take the clas for the last 3 years, but it always conflicted with something else....  |
12-15-2003, 11:15 PM
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S.H. Yes, that is the type I was referring too. They are about 1/4" thick x 3" I think. I'm really not sure what they are made of. I would think nylon combined with something. I would much rather what ever get smacked by one of those breaking than say a cable or a chain. We have pulled tandems that are stuck clear to the axles out with them pretty often using the flying jerk method with a 4x4!  Tim
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12-15-2003, 11:51 PM
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I'm curious how you get the straps/cables/chains out from under the block once it's in place? At least without disturbing your base.
When using Sienna, I always rent the Sienna clamp from Unilock, only $20/day and you can place the stones wherever you want with no fuss.
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12-16-2003, 12:01 AM
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I had this same question a year ago or so, and Paul gave me a good answer. I'll wait to see if he gives a repeat performance....
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12-16-2003, 12:05 AM
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I have never had to do a wall with any stone, or block that 2 guys couldn't place the stones by hand. I imagine the first course would definitely be difficult to contend with Especially if you were using the straps to build the wall. Most of the calls we have had for straps involved placing equipment, freeing stuck vehicles, and pulling bushes, clothes lines, grills, etc.  Tim
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12-16-2003, 07:28 AM
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This is not a large project by any standard and I couldn't justify the special clamp. However, if I start lining up a lot of projects like this I'll get one. I built a set of Sienna steps last year and could have used the clamp there as well.
I really like the straps. The ones I have are 8' long with a loop in each end. If I loop the straps around a 500 lb piece of granite, with the loop on the correct side, I can upright it with a crow bar. Makes me feel kinda macho. I have no doubt these straps will come in handy for many, many other used saving time and my back!
I place the granite on top of a couple pieces of wood on my base. One guy lifts the edge of the granite, CAREFULLY, while the other guy pulls the pieces of wood one at a time. A little persuasion with the crow bar and they are in place. Once I have them lined up where I want them I put the level on them (front to back and side to side) and have my helper pack some stone dust under while I raise the low ends with a 30" crow bar.
It's really not 'hard' work, but the clamp would be faster!
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12-16-2003, 11:29 AM
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I have used a collection of different straps. Some are loops with sizes of 3' to 6' and some are 12' straps with a loop at each end.
I also use logging chains with grab hook on one end and a slip hook on the other as well as a tree lift chain which is just a iron ring with 3 short chains and hooks. I also use rope tree slings which fit around the root ball of a tree and cradles it during lifting so that the root ball dosn't break up. These are great for lifting round boulders although they tend to wear out quickly in that application.
We also made our own clamp for lifting things like sienna stone and large cut stone. I made a crude drawing of it in
Mixing concrete in cold weather I don't think we have more than $30.00 into it and it is a real time saver. Next time I am in the shop I will take a picture of it because my drawing stinks |
12-16-2003, 02:45 PM
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I think we get the general idea. What was it made out of and if you used chain in it what was the test on the chain??
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12-16-2003, 05:02 PM
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Don't know what Paul does, but I've found that a 3' Gorilla Bar wil prem right up and hold them while the straps are removed. Then just slide the bar out!
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12-16-2003, 10:22 PM
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It is 2" square tubing, 6" angle iron and the chain is whatever logging chain is.
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12-17-2003, 12:01 AM
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I'd still like to see a real pic, if you get the chance. I pretty much get the concept, as I've seen the probst ones, but it would be nice to see it. We don't have any rentals available around here, and I'd like to keep it that way.
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12-22-2003, 06:52 PM
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12-22-2003, 08:01 PM
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Dan,
That looks cool and easy to build!!!
Did you use a mud flap as your cushion on the inside? I think I'll be bustin' out the welder this winter!
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12-22-2003, 08:14 PM
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Can't you use a granite magnet? LOLOL
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