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Old 08-12-2008, 10:03 PM
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Call out to AGLA and any othe reast coasters...

Hi AGLA,

I noticed you were from Cape Cod and I was planning on posting a couple of questions here that you might be able to answer.

I am a Landscape Designer in Toronto, Canada and I just got back from holidays at M.V.. There were two things I saw there that I would really appreciate some advice on.
First, I noticed a lot of decks were made out of Mahogany (i believe). Is that a fairly standard item out there or more of a specialty wood like Ipe? How does it compare in cost to Cedar and is it easy to work with. Up hear all decks are P.T. (low end) or cedar. some of the really high end ones are Ipe but the cost is just huge to buy and install.

The second question is about gravel driveways. I noticed a bunch of gravel driveways done in a round, orange stone. I really liked the look and would like to do something like that up here. The closest material we have is what we call Pea Gravel and it is grey but the real problem is that it rolls around so much. How do they keep the stuff down there from moving? Is it only so thick? What goes under it? Anyway, If you or anyone else could help me out with these questions it would be much appreciated.

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Jason
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:35 AM
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Mahogany is a very common deck material here. I don't do wood work, but I believe that it is easy to work with.

The driveways are done in what we locally call "native gravel". It is gravel that was deposited by glaciers that dumped it and everything else here in the last ice age. They dig it out, screen it for size, and wash it. There are several gravel pits on Cape Cod that produce it. They don't crush stone to make it because the water rushing off of the melting glaciers separated different sized particles depending on the speed of the water. They call these deposits "well sorted" when they are fairly consistent sized material. It is usually 1/2" and 3/4" that is used.

This type of driveway is very common on high end waterfront homes for two reasons. First, they fit the context of the area and people with multi-million dollar summer homes want to feel like they are not at home in the suburbs. The second reason is that water front homes are almost always under the jurisdiction of state and local wetlands protection regulation. There are a lot of coastal wetland resources that are not easily recognized the same way you would a freshwater resource. There are dunes, flood zones, and something called a Coastal Bank. I'm side tracking, but the result is that pervious driveways are often required in order to build or renovate.

Because these are so common, they have gotten pretty good at making these driveways. The prefered base these days is something that is called "T-base" locally. It is named after a large local paving company that started using it. It is made from reclaimed asphalt pavement and other road material. It is gray-brown looking and does not look like tar. It is not hot, but it compacts very well. Sometimes crushed granite road base (3/4"-) is used. Whatever it is, it has to be very well compacted.

Then the real trick of it comes in. The "native stone" is spread over the base as thinly as possible in order to keep tires and feet on top of it rather than plowing through it.

Many people tend to put gravel down way to thick and not over a solidly compacted base. The result is that cars plow it around and people kind of swim through it. Then they add more gravel because they think they don't have enough. After screwing a few of these up, they draw the conclusion that gravel sucks and it is wrong to use it. However, it is a very good driveway material.

Keep in mind that most of these places are summer homes and don't often need to have a snow plow run over them.

We also use clam shells or scallop shells for driveway surfaces here as well.


3/4" Native


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Old 08-13-2008, 04:52 PM
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Thanks for the very detailed answer. I suppose our Pea Gravel would work too so long as the base is well laid.

I did see some clam shell driveways there and thought they were great. A little out of context here being so far in-land.

In your photos you have granite sets as edging, are they set in concrete or just on a compacted base?

I was very impressed with the consistent quality of work on such things as stone walls (dry and set in Conc.) and the quality of deck and siding finishes. I suppose thats what happens when you put a bunch of rich people together and tell them they can only build in one style.

Thanks again,

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Old 08-13-2008, 07:30 PM
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Those are in cement.

Your pea gravel is probably about the same thing, but just the color is different. It is just a matter of prep.

In most cases,no one is telling anyone what style to build.It is just that it is what most people want out here and it is what gives you the best resale value. There are a lot of craftsman style homes in some areas, capes are all over, and there are some weird contemporary homes on the outer Cape.

There are some historic districts that will review aesthetics. Nantucket is the strictest.
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:53 PM
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Mahogany is very hard and is best drilled before nailing.
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I've noticed these types of driveways to be pretty popular in some of the high-end Chicago suburbs as well. I absolutely love them. Here they use "decomposed granite".
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:45 PM
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Agla, is that anything like a tar & chip driveway?
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:36 PM
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Actually, I realized that the middle picture is a tar & chip driveway after i posted it. But the others are not and I did not intend on posting a tar & chip.

The recycled road material that I mentioned is not hot and does not set as a solid pavement, but it does compact very well. Crushed granite (3/4"-) is often used as the compacted base as well. The success comes from having a very firm base with a very thin loose stone surface.

I used decomposed granite when I worked in Idaho. It compacted to a very firm surface as well. I did not do any loose surfacing over it, but I would expect that it would work just as well. Out there it was used as an inexpensive material for long rural driveways. I did not think it had an aesthetic appeal on its own.
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:38 PM
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What firm created the T-base method???
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:09 AM
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I have heard that it is named in our area for a paving company named Tilcon. I don't know if that is true and I'm sure there are and have been plenty of others who recycle asphalt. T-base seems to be a local or regional name that has stuck. I'm sure a similar product is available just about antwhere.
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