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Old 11-10-2007, 02:44 PM
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This is just a thought, I don't know if I could actually do this, but I'm thinking of hiring a designer. Starting this new design/construction company has been a huge distractions from my design work and the design work is getting in the way of establishing this company. So I'm thinking, Gulp, of maybe hiring a designer (among others). It's not just the money but the idea that someone else would be doing the design work instead of me.

Any of you employ a full or part time designer?

Are any of you employed by a contractor part time?

How is it working for you?

I probably should have posted this in the Management Forum, but I'm curious what you designer types think.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:09 PM
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Aaaaah. Now this is EXACTLY my area.
My brother and I started our company 12 years ago as a garden centre only. My brother had not even completed his formal training... From that we built up our company from scratch, built everything between the two of us, working seven days a week 16/18 hours a day until we had a robust business with a healthy turnover.
Hand in hand with the garden center we started small with a planting team following demand and then larger and larger scale constructions. Today I have 18 staff occupied in this area. But I know EXACTLY what you are talking about and how you are feeling. At every level there is that fear of letting go. My first team 'on site' for two years was comprised of me and a helper. It was a HUGE step for us to take to step back & not be actually be productively 'billable' in the obvious sense. However - it is the only option if you are to grow and not have other areas in a growing business get out of hand. You are the boss and you have to keep an oversight. As your footprint grows this becomes increasingly important. Not easy I know, and something to be carried out with great care (don’t take your finger off the pulse for gods sake!!), but absolutely critical.
In answer to your question, my brother only used to really execute designs when there was a need to (i.e. for a construction contract or to close a contract) rather than actively looking for work. This was probably because probably the largest part of our profitability comes from this part of the business. However - two years ago we reached the point where he could not keep the designs up to standard and still run the businesses with me and so after extensive deliberations we took that plunge.
From our experience it has been a huge success - but with certain provisos:
1/ Where if I need staff in construction I will employ any enthusiastic chap who gets approval from my managers - a designer represents a far more "touchy feely" part of your business and the clients, from our experience, tend to judge you like this. (On a "feeling" after a meeting). It is CRUCIAL that you can relate to them on a deeper level, as their personalities will rub off on the clients and for the design side this has to be a personality that is at least aligned somewhat to yours. They will be spending large numbers of hours with you. If your personalities clash even slightly it will be difficult to carry out what is an 'artistic' rather than technical operation. We carried out endless interviews (nearly 40 as I recall... some kind of record for us...) and after an initial mistake that lasted two days before I made a rather dramatic "executive decision" we hit a gold nugget.
2/ We have carefully retained my brother’s signature feel on the gardens by carrying out a streamlined design operation in two stages: concept and master plan. At the beginning of each stage my brother sits down with our designer and uses a trace overlay on the site survey to pencil out his vision for the design. It is then fleshed out to a concept presentation by our designer leaving my brother free. (We use Sketch-Up for this to produce what I think are really decent results. Amazing what that program can do in the right hands. I would be happy to show you some examples of this type of work if you are interested). This then happens again but in more detail for a master plan, with the designer left to draw up and passed through a couple of revision sessions towards the latter stages. Thankfully, working all in Autocad now allows it to be easily tweaked until it is as we would want it. The clients are still involved, and sometimes invited to visit after the initial trace so than can have input and see that although the output is computer generated – the source was eye, brain and human hand.

In essence, we were petrified that in employing a designer we would not be able to fill his/her time. But in reality, employing a designer forced us to re-evaluate how and what we were billing, what we charged and what it was worth. The last six months have been hugely educational and I would say we have greatly benefited from that experience alone. By taking that step, we had an active requirement that subtly changes your psychology from “my time is free to me” to “I’m running a business here”. Sorry if this sounds stupid but this was how it was for us. We have found him invaluable for the design, and that an activity which was previously a “back-office” operation and largely unpaid, its purpose to head work to the construction, has become not only stand alone but profitable in its own right, leaving my brother with more time to dedicate to other areas of the business and producing overall better products in my opinion. In fact if anything it is more of a flagship than the construction work – something we would never have believed. But in retrospect this is inevitable – everybody talks about who designed a beautiful landscape and continues to do so long after it is built – the only time a contractors name is used again and again in the same landscape is if you are in a lawsuit! As galling as it can be – the landscape designer takes all the glory hands down.
Indeed, it is not without risks, as with any new foray in business, so please be careful as a bad experience can damage your reputation as a designer. But I can say for our part that it has been a great success. In my opinion you have the added advantage that you are working from design out to taking advantage of the pipe you have created, which is an easier direction to work in my opinion. If you are designing the gardens you have a degree of control over everything that happens there – hence getting construction work should be like falling off a proverbial log. We had no idea if we would be able to cycle up the design to fill his time – yet now I ask for a construction detail to be specced up for a supplier and what would you know – I have to wait for days in the schedule! A wait I glady accept I can tell you.

My apologies for the verbose post, but I really am passionate about this area of things (yes – probably should have been in management but this is quit a bit specific to design…) and if anyone can benefit from any of our experiences then I would be really happy. Nobody gave me any pointers and at times I could have really used some!

Consider it carefully (what every part of your service is worth to clients and the time spent doing it), do your math’s right, find the right person and I’m sure whatever decision you take will be correct. Good luck.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:17 PM
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I draw for contractors, designers, architects... probably my biggest frustration is when someone hires me for drafting only and the design is... lacking. I'll make my suggestions, but if they don't want to hear it, hey, I can be a CADmonkey.

Expectations MUST be clear on both ends- the designer should be able to give an estimated completion date, and on your end, there's no such thing as too much detail. I sometimes hit a groove and work through the night. Nothing like realizing at 3 AM that the client never told me what size grill we were using, you know?

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Old 11-15-2007, 11:10 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Your experiences are appreciated.

Interesting how changes in your business can have unexpected but positive effects. I hadn't considered the design aspect as a serious new business source for the contracting company. I was actually thinking the contracting company would bring in design business. However, about half of the jobs I have right now came from my reputation as a designer. The other half came from old relationships as a contractor. Interesting.

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I think the whole way landscaping is being done these days is completly different then even say 10 years ago, I am a designer and do not docomstruction work at all, I design (freelance for a couple garden centres and landscapers, most smaller companies cant afford a full time designer. Not that we think we are the end all be all. It is just that it is a high paid position because a good designer has to have a wealth of experience and knowhow. That can cost a lot. But if you hire someone, they should be on the same wavelength as your companies work or else it wont work. I used to work for a company full time till I got hit with cancer and had to take a few years off to recuperate. Since then I went freelance...it may be a solution for you. There are guys who do it over the net and could even save you some hard costs. Be prepared to do the homework though. Hope this helps...Desynerguy,
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