[davemac]

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with mega arbel pavers from permacon. I have to lay a 800 sq ft patio and if anyone has some tips regarding the best way to lay it and making cuts at the edges they would be most welcome.

[Stonehenge]

I haven't laid them, but someone who has told me that three pieces all come to a common point, and that that pattern repeats throughout, and more importantly, which direction you stand when laying will make it much harder or easier to see the pattern and lay subsequent pieces. If I recall, the way that made it easier was to stand on the base prep as you lay; something that of course won't work if you use a sand bedding course.

[Stonehenge]

Here's a pic from a dealer's site showing the pattern. I highlighted the 3-piece pattern:

[dan deutekom]

And to think that some days I get confused with just a basic herring bone pattern

[NCSULandscaper]

i did this one using a different paver but same style pattern. After you figure out the pattern to it, it lays fast. But i swear it took me an hour to figure out the pattern

i overlayed the pattern and marked and cut in place

[davemac]

I want to make sure I'm on the right track before I lay it because I only want to do it once. These pavers are monsters.

[musclecarboy]

Matt, those are "Portage', not arbel. Arbel is a mix of sizes.

[NCSULandscaper]

thats why i said its a different paver but similar pattern.........put the small piece together with the larger one and its the same paver..........

[moltenfe]

We have installed several of the Mega Arbel projects. The pattern is very easy after the first 5-10 pieces are laid. There is actually only one shape but eight or so "dummy" joints that make the pieces look different from one another. The best way to cut them is to overlay and cut off on the ground (the guys get too confused when they have to handle them out of the pattern plus it's faster by far to cut in the ground). Once you have the hang of the pattern they lay in really fast. I don't think it takes the place of a well constructed natural flagstone patio, but it looks good and is much faster.

[JohnMon]

Moltenfe,

Great looking patio project. Any pics of it finished? What are those rods that come from the bottom of the picture towards the cluster of pavers? I'm new to the hardscaping end of things so bear with me. Thanks in advance

[moltenfe]

Thanks-
I don't have any real good shots yet but here are a few more. The rods you are questioning are 1" steel pipes. We use them to screed out exactly 1" of course bedding sand. This method works great as long as the base material is graded well.

[JohnMon]

The pictures look great. Thanks for the quick response.

[Raj Venugopal]

I've laid a lot. Think "three leaf clover" when you lay, as Jeff's shown. From those three stones, lay the next three with the sharp point into the "V". Tip- pick up each stone knowing exactly how you're going to lay it so you're not fumbling. They are approx. 54 pounds apiece. Stack pallets 2 high; the lower the stone the harder it is to lift and lay. They cut easy as they are not as dense as other stones.

[eastern1]

I've used the regular arbel a few times and really like it, personally I think anything over 30lbs is absolutey absurd to have to lay as a paver. Here is one we did earlier this season. It does cut rather easy.

[scl]

Eastern1 now that is freaking cool! I love how you've integrated the Arbel Circle, sans soldier course, into the paver pool deck. Very tasteful and distinct!

Scott