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Old 03-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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wage vs. salary

I'm interested in getting some lawn crews going this year. In previous years I have done the work myself. Anyways, I'm wondering what is the best approach concerning pay that will help me get and keep key personnel through out the year?

What are some thoughts on hourly wages vs. annual salary?
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:27 AM
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I have only carried two part timers so I can't speak for others but I have noticed it is easier to say hourly. You can't control the weather and we have had bouts of 2-3 days of impossible conditions.

Sure we make that up later but never 100% of the missed salary they lost.
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:53 PM
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Production team members should always be an hourly wage position IMO, due to weather issues as well as production output. You can't make a salary employee work overtime without offering comp time, unless they offer to work it.

Salary positions, at least in our company, are for management and supervisors. Positions that are not affected by weather and/or unforseen equipment problems, etc...
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:42 PM
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what does IMO mean?
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:20 PM
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:25 PM
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IMO Matt is right. Also, while a lot of companies large and small don't know or follow these particular rules, it's not actually legal to pay someone doing that kind of work a salary unless you're also going to pay them overtime which would just be stupid. There are specific rules that describe what kind of jobs can be exempt from overtime and guys on lawn mowers are definately not among them.
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Old 03-14-2007, 12:58 AM
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I'm really starting to get turned on by the idea of a base salary (like min. wage to keep it all legal like) plus some sort of unit pricing bonus for work accomplished. Acutally, I would like to even can the min. wage thing, but that's the law, and what a great law it is.."lets make sure everyone gets paid, even if they don't do a dam thing"

I'm seeing alot of hardscape companies moving into 'per foot' pricing for their guys, and with the motivational traits of the foreign work force, it seems to be working. I really feel the young workers today are just driven by the idea that if they show up to work they should get paid. That needs to change.

I like the idea of making them earn that pay, and nothing does it better than not paying them when they don't (and these days, even making the new min. wage is pretty much like not getting paid) It's hard to buy a playstation 3, that new ipod, or download a bizzilion custom ringtones a day for 99 cents each on 7.15 and hour (or whatever it is now)!

I have to say that this seems to really drive the foreign work force. I mean, most of them (i know there'll be arguments on this) just want to work as many hours and make as much money as they can. Granted, you have to closely monitor things so that quality isn't being sacrificed for speed, but it seems to work for a lot companies.

I wonder something. At one point in time did society start paying people on a 'peh hour' basis?

I mean, in the real old days, wasn't it kind of along the lines of, 'plow this field and and when you are don I'll give you a nickel'?

Was it the industrial revolution that started 'per hour' pay? 'ok, stand here and when that model T comes down the line you put this screw in. for every hour you stand here, you get 5cents, because I know you are installing x number of screws per hour because x amount of cars are coming down that line per hour'



Or was it the 'modern age' office development that started 'per hour' wage......'sit in this cubicle and when work comes your way, complete it. Sometimes their will be no work, but we need you there in case there is, so we'll pay you by the hour because we really can't figure out what it is you are exactly doing all the time."

That must be it!

It just seems like 'per hour' pay really doesn't fit the profile of our business. Maybe for a secretary who sits by the phone all day and needs to be there in case the phone rings.....that makes sense. But for a person who is completing a task, does it make sense? Shouldn't it be you only get paid if the task in completed?

Ok, this is getting really deep, but it just seems to always be a hot topic here on how we compensate employees, and maybe, just maybe, we are trying to change/tweek a system that doesn't work in the first place.

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