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Old 12-14-2005, 02:13 AM
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Stone columns

To all you stonemasons out there.
We have really started incorporating some serious stonework into our jobs over the last 2 years and the one thing that blows me away is the cost on stone columns.
For example, on a 2' x 2' x 3'6" high column made of natural stone with a double 8"x8"x16" cinder block inside ( of course on good concrete base ) my cost per column seems to run about $625 - $700. Keep in mind that most of this VA. fieldstone will be stacked with a couple of accent pieces faced to the column.
After doing a couple of other columns, I think this is in my companies profit margin.
Does this price seem out of whack, too low, too high or about the norm?
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:22 AM
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Is that what it costs you, or the price?

The price (amount charged to customer) in my area would be about $2k.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:42 AM
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Actually that was the price I would charge the customer.
$2000 in Mass.?
I need to move back up there I believe.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:10 AM
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For most dry stacked systems I'm starting at around 1200-1500 for a similiar column.....that price seems quite low. I would have to go with agla and say somewhere in 2000 range is about right. Especially when you start adding in a below frost footer and wiring for a light.
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Our columns are hitting the 2K range as well.

Have you looked into the Rox products out on the market? They make a natural stone faced column, available in 16 x16, 24 x24, in 1' liftss. All you do is paste them together. Very nice looking, and they cut all the masons labor right out of the picture.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:53 PM
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Try doing the columns. You have 4 faces and have to do 4 corners. Your small columns have a minimum of 28 face feet exposed and probably another 4 face feet below grade. With a simple concrete footer, I would be charging $1600 per column.
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I have never built a stone column, but was wondering could you take a 6x6 treated timber put it to frostline, then cover it with stone and would it lean after time? or if it needs to be extended more add some 1x8s treated
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I've done a couple of columns before but managed to price them into the job with other items and yes, they took a long time.
These columns will be placed on a concrete pad and have adjoining wall between them. Based on everyone's recommendations, I need to up this price a bit which is fine with me.

Thanks for your help.
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A good mason could do a 2x2x36 column in 10 hours?

@40 hr. = $400 in labor (that's if he carries his own paper)

We'd double those billable hours plus materials in the SF Bay Area.
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Have you looked into the Rox products out on the market? They make a natural stone faced column
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Interesting. The corners still look fake, but I doubt most people could tell. There doesn't seem to be a single stone that overlaps both sides of a corner past the 1" thickness. A step up from cultured stone since it is real.

Out of curiosity what do these things cost? Is there any savings over a true stone column to the homeowner once installed? I'm just having a hard time believing a column shipped halfway around the world would end up cheaper.
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:45 PM
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There are stone suppliers out there that can cut stone veneers with corners, too. Just have to find the good ones. But it does make some extra work, building the structure from block, than veneering it with stone. We've done it that way and like it, just that it does add to the labor involved.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:39 PM
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The Rox columns run about $100.00 per 1' lift. Now if you consider mortaring a 16x16, then pasting El Dorado or a similar stone, the cost of that $28.00 an hour (on payroll) mason plus 33% labor burden and all associated entitlements, you can use some Sure Bond adhesive to put it together, grout the center and lay it to rest in 2 hours after the footing has been poured. A hand built column with all the stuff is going to be double.
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