[Dale Wiley]

But how many new start ups are out there as it is? Operating illegaly?

We are exiting the residential landscape installation market and concentrating on our sports field work. I am going to get in there before some one else does. The other legitimate company in my area is also hurting, and opening a bark and supply yard to at least get money from the bums if he can't get any work.

We have not been in the commercial install and will not go there either. There simply is not any way to make money in our market in those segments anymore.

We have a fairly well established client base that we get a fair amount of recurring work from, but the new jobs are not coming. There are so many new contractors who are working for wages, no insurances, WC etc, no licenses.

I called our state agency this morning to burn another scab, but they told me they probably won't get to them as there are not enough inspectors....

And its not about how we started out, it's about how we do business today. You turn your head and ignore these guys and they will eat your lunch, dinner and retirement before you know it.

I am not in business to help newbies out by ignoring their illegal acts, I am in business to provide for my family/ employees and our future.